According to scholars, the Scythians and Cimmerians were identified with a large population of the Lost Israelites tribes that were once in exile. They are located on the Bible Timeline Chart with History during 200 BC. There are accounts from the Assyrians that the Cimmerians were partly Israelite.
The Cimmerians, in particular, were a group of Indo-Europeans that lived in the northern part of Caucasus and the Azov Sea, about 1300 BC. By the 8th century BC, the Scythians drove them southward and into Anatolia. The Cimmerians were considered Iranians while others referred to them as Thracians.
After they had left the Pontic steppe, these people decided to head off to Anatolia and succeeded in conquering Phrygia in the years 696 to 695 BC. They reached the pinnacle of their success when they took over Sardis, Lydia‘s capital, in 652 BC. However, they quickly reached their decline, specifically when they were defeated by the Alyattes between the years 637 and 626 BC. After their defeat, there was a lack of information about this group of people, although there were assumptions that they remained in Cappadocia.
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There were minimal details in terms of the origin of this tribe. Some possibilities are that the Cimmerians had some relations with the Thracians or Iranians. Historians claim that these people may have been under the rule of an elite Iranian background.
Herodotus, a Greek historian, noted that the Cimmerians once lived in the regions on the north coast of the Black Sea and Caucasus. These places are nearby modern-day Russia and Ukraine. However, Renate Rolle, an archaeologist, claimed that there was an absence of evidence that the Cimmerians settled in the southern portion of Russia.
In the 19th and 20th centuries, most scholars accepted the accounts of Herodotus in terms of the origin of the Cimmerians. However, Sir Henry Layard had different claims about this tribe. His studies opened up new sources that are centuries older than what were stated by Herodotus. In the Assyrian records, the Cimmerians were situated in a kingdom that was not distant from Urartu. This was the Iron Age Kingdom, which was located around Armenian’s highland called Lake Van, a place in the southern part of Caucasus.
The Israelites were brought to the center portion of Assyria. Eventually, warriors of Israelite and Syrian descent became a part of the Assyrian armies. They also gained influence and power, and they were taken to Mannae for training. Mannae was among the places were the Cimmerians were believed to have settled.
Historically, Mannae became the center of the Scythian tribe. These people were one with the Cimmerians, and the two tribes even lived and functioned in the similar geographical zones. In fact, the names of these two groups of people have become rather interchangeable in most Assyrian books and historical sources.
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Thanks for good info as always- just some thoughts about Cimmerians like Scythians and Celts are a general cover name for a grouping of similar looking tribes as described by writers-its very confusing i know–In my opinion I just want to point out that the Japheth tribes-Gomer,Askenazi,Togarmah,Riphath-are also described as ‘gimerai-cimmerians’-clearly this set of tribes are NOT (Semites)Hebrews-as Abraham wasn’t even born then–so to mention as some modern day so called Jews are called BY the same name–these were the German roots names,also Irish,welsh,and Turkish..The Madai were also ‘Scythian’ -Iran,India etc..so because their is a lot of this on the web –oh we’re ALL Jewish lost tribes-and clearly UK/ Europeans Celts /Germanic’s weren’t ALL SO..thankfully–the British Israelite thing isn’t totally correct–anyway letting off steam–thanks for listening..
abraham wasn’t the first jew…the first jew was yehuda (judah) yeshiva (jesus) came to seek the lost tribes of the house of Israel
Abraham was Hurrian ( Khorreim people in Old Testament) from the Hurrian-Aryan Kingdom of Mitanni.
Nichola, (cool name, btw)
I wanted to know what year you are dating for Abraham’s birth, I ask because I have found different dates.
Could you explain what you mean by “so-called Jews”
Also what you mean about the German roots names, also Irish, Welsh and Turkish.
Do you mean Jewish lost tribes (Rehoboam’s section of the nation called Judah, whose inhabitants were Jews) or the 10 lost tribes of Israel (the top part of the nation taken by Jeroboam; who were carried off by the Assyrians in the 8th century B.C.)
I wasn’t aware that the Jewish tribes had been lost, they stayed in Judea (Judah) until 70 A.D. when many were killed or taken by the Romans to Rome, and 136 A.D. at the end of the Bar Kokhba Revolt when many Jewish towns were sieged, many starved, were killed or enslaved by the Romans. Many fled through Anatolia (Turkey) and entered Europe, although some did stay in the Arabian Peninsula.
I know that there were some Jews who lost their heritage because it wasn’t preserved for them by their parents. I know that there were some Jews who chose to convert to Christianity when they were given the options to convert, die or leave (especially during the Spanish Inquisition)
I’m not aware of the British Israelite thing, so I don’t have any idea of why it isn’t totally correct and why that is a good thing.
Thanks for answering, I always learn so much from these types of forums.
Abraham was absolutely born before any records of cimmerians and Scythians , they appeared exactly when the tribes were taken into exile. The tribes were seperated and placed in different locations. They all became different groups and migrated at different times.
you are 100% sir, the key is the Scythians and the Germanic genetics (r1b, r1a etc). I have DNA tested myself in an ancient database and I am Frankish/Visigoth/Scythian, I am a son of Jacob.
The Ashkenazim converted into the Hebrew faith 800+ years after Christ.. They were Arabian Khazarian immigrants not the genuine sons of Issac or Saxons. The true Israelites went into captivity in the lands of Media and when Judah was conquered they were also subjugated. When Cyrus the Great set the Hebrew people free only a fraction of the tribes of Benjamin and Judah returned to Jerusalem. The majority reunited with their brethren in southern Russia and then migrated west becoming the Germanic and Celtic tribes and formed many kingdoms as prophesied. So called “Jews” are liars because the bible specifically says that the true sons of Abraham would be called by another name. Saxons.. The 13 tribes of Israel DNA consists of the R1aR1b haplogroups.. North West Europe. This is why Hitler said the Jews were not authentic Jews and also why Christ said they call themselves Jews and are not but are the Synagogue of Satan!
Maday is not Scythians they are not from magog they are from maday who married a daughter of shem producing the mitanni and medes. Gomer should be hittites and cimmerians are from tiras
Genesis 10:2
The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
Understanding the tribe of Dan helps in the confusing tale of the lost tribes migrations, though only in Europe.
Although the tribe maintained its name, there wa a strong admixture of Cimmerians and others,
As an aside, the Cimmerian/celts wet as far as Wales, and are preserved in our language – we call ourselves the Cymru.
The migration of the Scythians, as they were known, can be traced right across Europe. Dan is spelt ‘Dn’ in Hebrew, so any vowel can be inserted, as in my own name Donnelly. Hence we see rivers such as Dniepr, Dniester Don and Daube. It was in the basin of the Danube that they became known as Celts. This may have been the name of another grouping of Israelites of that name, because they were all on intimate terms. they took over the area now known ad Danmark, and when they got to Ireland found Danites from the Egyptian exodus who has fled from there by sea and after Troy, Sparta possibly Rome the founded the kingdom of Milesia in Spain, whence they came to Ireland.
When the Danes asked them who they were the replied “The tuatha Danaan’
ie the chidren of Dan
Hope this adds to the debate..
Thats right. I studied this as i was doing genealogy and found that out my self … abt the tribe of Dan ‘thuatha Danaan‘ the people of Dan .
You just filled in so many gaps in my knowledge thank you. I have been slowly starting to understand this.
The Celts and the Goths were both descended from Gad. As a linguist explained it to me – Gad was pronounced gawd in ancient times – Gad -> Goth -> Gaul -> Gallic-> Gaelic – Celtic -> Celts. D and th are interchangeable and speakers of true Celtic can explain the sound similarities of Gaelic and Celtic much better than I can.
The Turks are descended mostly from the Israelites, who went to India, and from there to the Central Asian Steppe, some of them choosing to settle in eastern Europe instead, but many Israelites in India chose to go to the Americas instead. Thus, we have the American Indians. Of those who went to the Steppes, many later went by way of the Bering Strait to North American, a few of them continuing to the southern parts of North America. The Ainu of Japan are closely related to the American Indians and the Sakha of the Steppe.
Ephraim chose the name Isaac’s sons, pronounced with a y instead of the long I sound. Thus, evolving into Saxons, Sakhas, or Sacas. The Ainu seem to have ended up in Japan by accident. If you lo look at a first nations map of Canada, you’ll see many, many tribes of Sakha all over North America and the northern parts of the USofA.
This “Sir Henry Layard” guy didn’t get too far from Herodotus locale of these people.
3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bare him a son. Hosea 1:3 hmmm Gomer son of Japheth? Is that where the lost ten tribes of Israel were exiled to? 27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. Genesis 9:27
Set thee up waymarks, make thee high heaps: set thine heart toward the highway, even the way which thou wentest: turn again, O virgin of Israel, turn again to these thy cities. Jeremiah 31:21 Waymarks in Hebrew mean milestones or monuments
Megalithic monuments? Ready for a real shocker which country has the most dolmens Denmark what country is above Denmark on the CIMbric peninsula? Norway get it!!!! DenMARK NorWAY WAYMARK!!!! No wonder the DANes saved all the Jews and sent them to Sweden. No wonder the Balfour Declaration was enacted by the Angles and Saxons who came from WHERE?
The CIMbric peninsula. The Welsh or should I say CYMRY people were confused as being Israeli spies because two Journalist from Wales Nicholas Davies-Jones and Gareth Montgomery-Johnson, were accused of being Israeli spies because the confused the Welsh language with HEBREW!!!! In Lybia
Look up the sound shift in Proto Germanic of Semitic Origin. In NORTHERN Europe
13 Therefore will I cast you out of this land into a land that ye know not, neither ye nor your fathers; and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; where I will not shew you favour. 14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; 15 But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the NORTH, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.
Jeremiah 16: 13:15 do you have any idea how much the North country is refrenced in scripture concerning the lost ten tribes of Israel? ALOT and in Jeremiah 3 Judah(JEWS) Sephardic and Ashkenazi will go up to the North Country and live among them. The TWO tribes subject to the Romans one in Asia Sephardic the other in Europe Ashkenazi WHILE the Ten tribes are beyond Euphrates until now and are an IMMENSE MULTITUDE not to be estimated by number. Josephus in his own words. And guess what he wrote the war of the Jews to the UPPER BARBARIANS in the language of his Country ISRAEL!!!!! Upper meaning NORTH the northern Barbarians