Edomites descended from the Bible character Edom. Edom would mean “red” in Hebrew.
Edom whose birth name was Esau was the older twin brother of Jacob. Their father was the ancestor of the Jews, Isaac. They are on the Amazing Bible Timeline with World History starting in 1921 BC.
The abhorrence of Esau towards Jacob for tricking him into giving up his share of the inheritance was passed on to their descendants. Edomites and Israelites were such constant enemies that there was an account in the Bible when the Edomites didn’t let the Israelites pass through Edom. They tried to conquer the country of Israel during the time of Jehoshaphat but didn’t succeed.
The Edomites were further mentioned as a nation defeated and invaded by Saul and later by David. They allied with Nebuchadnezzar in invading Jerusalem. Their brutality towards the people of Jerusalem and their cruel actions in destroying the First Temple gained criticism from the prophets up to the later eras.
They fought with the Jews many times and became one of the nations conquered by the Maccabees at its peak. Under the leadership of the Maccabees, they were obliged to embrace the Jewish cultures. Their men were circumcised, and they were forced to follow the Jewish laws. Until the time came when they openly mixed themselves with the Jews and did their practices including paganism. The legendary Herod, who ordered the construction of the Second Temple, was an Edomite.
The kingship of the Edomites was elective as opposed to the tradition hereditary. Prior to their forced conversion to Judaism, there were no clear accounts as to what religious practices did the Edomites followed. Some thought that they could had been worshipping the deities El, Baal, Kaus, and Asherah just like the Levantine Semites.
The Land of the Edomites
Edomites inhabited the “country of Edom” which would refer to Mount Seir and Idumea. Mount Seir was previously inhabited by the Horites who were cave dwellers and the Edomites had likely copied this.
Edom was mainly covered with mountains with its principal ancient city at Bozrah. During the time of Amaziah, Petra was the capital city of Edom with its important seaports built in Elath and Ezion Geber.
It was situated inside the legendary Southern Levant in the southeast portion of Palestine covering a few of the most fertile areas in Israel. It also played a significant role in the caravan trade route as it was located in the middle of the Arabian Peninsula and the Mediterranean Sea. Because of these, the Edomites flourished in agriculture and cattle-raising compared to the other cities that were situated in the barren areas. But they gained most from the taxes they imposed on the caravan traders that passed through their area.
Edomites in the Bible
- Genesis 36:9. Edomites as the descendants of Esau.
- Genesis 36:43. Magdiel and Iram as the leaders of the Edomites.
- 2 Samuel 8:14, 1 Chronicles 18:13. The Edomites were conquered by David.
- 1 Kings 11:1. Some of the wives of King Solomon were of Edomite origin.
- 2 Chronicles 25:14. The Edomites were defeated and killed by Amaziah.
- Psalm 137:7. The Edomites cruelly destroyed the foundations of Jerusalem.
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http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth-topics/edomites.htm
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They sound like Ashkenazi jews? Anyone? not sure.
Ashkenazi jews ARE ONE OF THE DESCENDANTS OF ESAU
Yep! Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 tells us there will be a people who say they are Jews and are not.
You have said it.
All Praises To The Most High
Actually they are one of the descendant of japheth his son’s name to be exact. The ashkenazi jews claim relation to japheth. Do you see the irony? They definitely mixed and are one people now. The scriptures says esua shall be mixed among the people. What people ? NOW WE KNOW JAPHETH’S
Esau conquered jephiths land the whole Europe was once called Asia and the asians are jephith. The Persians are jephith. Not Edom.. Zepho the Edomite set up a throne in Europe before Israel had a king. Esau hides himself.
Khazarians which converted to Judaism during Spanish Inquisition. Specific Arabian Tribe of Ishmael and Turkey’s Hittites sons of Heth. Esau married Hittites and his uncle Ishmael’s daughters.
Yes ! All Praises To The Most High.
You speak the truth Corvon
All Praises To The Most High
Ashkenaz was a descendant of japeth….not Shem.
No they aren’t. They are a group of Slavs who converted. Like the Ethiopians did.
Not at all, the Ashkenazi Jews come from the Khazarians, they are European by ancestry.
They are the fake Jews in Israel today. They are Idumea, Rome, 4th beast empire still very much alive.
This is correct. If research god of edom you will see QOS as their god who is yahweh and BENQOS OR QOSBEN is the son of yahweh which jesus christ the socerer. RESEARCH IT DON’T SELL YOUR SOUL. You know what rules are: ONE WORLD ORDER, ONE WORLD MONEY AND ONE WORLD RELIGION. RESEARCH PEOPLE.
Wow! Someone is delusional. Sounds like something out of The Talmud
Absolutely Sir. Do the research because any one body, group or organization can developed a lie. The lie becomes the work and art of the ACCUSERS. The way of Quos!
I’m afraid that is incorrect, they are sons of Yaphath not Ishaw (Esau).
That’s what I conclude. ESAU’S brother is Jacob ie, The U.S.
I completely disagree with you respectfully. The scriptures, in fact, does provide a physical description of Jesus. It says his feet were the color of burnt brass, his teeth was white like milk, and his eyes were red with wine or fire.
The key is israel shal be tail until jesus return and re-gather the remaints of israel so the people in the land of israel at present are false, israel cant build necular bombs or control goverments openions for gog as cursed the children of israel, the female has a problem with their hair whish make them jelous of others which God said would come to pass , so just remain calm and trust in God who will oneday set us free he as given his promise through Jesus.
Messiah’s name was not Jesus, but Yahashua. The name Jesus was chosen by lottery, by those on Britain….thats the name given to Cesare Borgia the idol of the christaian religion. He was not the Christ…the Anointed One who died for Israel & Judah.
Isaiah 62:2
“And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.”
Isaiah 62:2
“And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.”
Hebrew Roots movement heresy. Sucked into Kabbalah none sense. The New Testament was never written in Hebrew it was written in Greek. The Paleo-Hebrew/Phoenician language was dead by Greek and Roman Empires.
that is the description of His resurrected glorified body, not His appearance while He was on earth as a Jew. That is why His disciples did not recognize Him after the resurrection. His appearance had changed.
Gen:49:10 10The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. This verse foretell the coming of Yah’s anointed king David 1 Samuel 16:12-13 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he. 13Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah. All of verses mentioned in the book of Isaiah the servant is David and Israel. In Isaiah 7:13-14 has nothing to do with JC…14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. 16For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. This is a prophecy about King Ahaz, Pekah the king of Israel and Rezin the king of Syria..Isaiah 7:8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people. 9And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established. 2 Kings 15:30 And Hoshea the son of Elah made a conspiracy against Pekah the son of Remaliah, and smote him, and slew him, and reigned in his stead, in the twentieth year of Jotham the son of Uzziah. 2 Kings 16:9 And the king of Assyria hearkened unto him: for the king of Assyria went up against Damascus, and took it, and carried the people of it captive to Kir, and slew Rezin. So you see the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled when Pekah the king of Israel and Rezin the king of Syria died. In the verse of Isaiah 7:14 the word for virgin could also mean young woman. All of the prophets of the Holy Scriptures OT are talking about David and Israel not JC..his name is not even mentioned anywhere in Holy Scriptures OT…1 Samuel 17:12 Now David was the son of that Ephrathite of Bethlehemjudah, whose name was Jesse; and he had eight sons: and the man went among men for an old man in the days of Saul Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Ezekiel 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. 24And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. Isaiah 55:3-4 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
4Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people. Psalms 89:3, 19-21 have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, 19Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people.
20I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
21With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
Christianity is not the new covenant and JC is not the fulfillment of law…in Jeremiah 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
JC can not save or redeem a man’s soul nor can he die for sins of others
Moses tried to give his life for atonement of the great sin Israel transgressed by making and worshipping a golden calf. Listen to what Yah told him in Exodus 32-30-35 30And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. 31And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin�; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. 34Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. 35And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made That’s one witness Ezekiel 18:19-20 19Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. 20The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. That’s two witnesses…and one more Psalms 49:7-9 7None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
8(For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:)
9That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption.
I once thought as you do now..that JC was a savior or a Redeemer and died for my sins. I now know better..and you now do too. Yah made it very clear HE will not give HIS glory to another.. Isaiah 42:8 8I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 43:3 3For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isaiah 43:11 11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Serve and worship YAH TMH and HIM only should you serve and worship. To worship anything else is a great sin
Katheleen, Jesus is clearly mentioned in the old testament by His Jewish name Yehoshua – which in the Greek is Ioesus, which then in the English is Jesus – with a J – this is the same person, the only one born of THE virgin and it is a particular title THE virgin – particularly stated by God to ensure no confusion – a clear prophecy in the old testament given to Israel for their disbelief by their king and He particularly said to the prophet – of God – that the virgin would give birth as a Sign so it is very specific and was only fulfilled in the Yehohshua, which is Jesus the Christ, And clearly He is Emmanuel God with us
JC is a name created by people of ps 83. The Savior mane is Yahshua
He is on the OT you don’t it cause you no not Him. The word was never given to the Gentiles. Yes you can be grafted in to tje FAITH of tje Hebraic Besora . You have been Jere16:19
So you’re a Jehovah’s Witness? Like the ones who taught that Jesus Christ was just a man or an angel?
I’m sorry but you are repeating doctrines which have taught you by people who claim to have a “new revelation” from some sort of modern day prophet. These people so often “prophecy” in abeyance of the Word of God which has been given to us …. then rewrite the scriptures to suit. Hence the Jehova,s Witness new translations. These new spurious teachings are accompanied by no power or miracles. Paul was a “Pharisee of Pharisees” he was instructed by Gamaliel. Paul was a student of the Torah and the ancient scriptures in a far greater way than any modern scholar could ever be. Paul operated all the gifts of the Spirit of God as God worked through him. Paul’s and indeed all the Apostles letters reveal exactly the truth of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I trust Paul’s interpretation not yours. Can I suggest that you put away all the material of “new revelation” that you have been given, take a good translation like NASB or even KJV , and read it carefully … ask God to reveal His heart and mind. Stick to the New Testament for a start. Everything in your life will change.
Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker
So the Lord the holy one of Israel
Was made by god
Isaiah 45:11
“Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
John 17:5
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
Isaiah 43:
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
Genesis 1:26
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
No Egyptian Moon God Yah will ever sit on The Heavenly throne!
Yes—Deut. 4:35, 6:4, Ish 41:14
43:10-11; 45:5 ;46:9,11.
All–God declaring there is NO ONE beside HIM. Study for youselves everyone.
Knych I was wondering if there was anyone else who was seeing this— thankyou
I agree with the scriptures hair like wool also and the tribe and lineage.he Jesus Yashuah came ffrom Who Hebrews the Jew and Israelites Jacob the tribe of Judah .
You’d be dangerous if you had a clue
well, the Hebrews are still in Africa ,precisely Eastern part of Nigeria ,they are called Igbos, a name which was originally spelt Heeboows by the British colonialist ,they practice all the customs of the old testament .not all blacks are Jews ,those in the coastal areas of west Africa are Jews ,that’s the area that the trans Atlantic slavery was born .take it or leave it
That is not a description of this world considering that brass turns glowing orange when it is refined in a furnace, second to have eyes red with fire is a spiritual description as well and not a physical one.
The colour of the LORD is not important, and as you read the bible if you read out for facts to feel good about your skin you will soon feel disappointed as you will come across lines stating ” and he got murdered by those he came to save” both whites and blacks killed him if you actually read the lines properly, believing in the word is more important than believing in the skin or a middle-eastern country or any country if that matters, first of Jerusalem in the bible is not Jerusalem in world map, neither is most countries following the truth that after Israels rebellion King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon invaded the whole world and plundered the whole world, modern scholars of human understanding claim that Israelite moved back into their home countries but truth remains Israelite’s were in exile for so long they dont know their home land,God spread his people all around the world it doesn’t matter their colour he will call them and gather them together on his holy mountain.Just believe in the WORD not the WORLD nor the colour if we die sinners we all going to hell, whether black or white.Nobody will find the truth,..because you all scrolling past the truth which is Revelation 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened, and a white horse was standing there.Its rider was named faithful and true….,13.His title was the Word of God,.16.on his robe was written this tittle:King of all Kings and Lord of all Lords.
I so agree with you Mbisi.
Amen, all who receives Jesus as Lord & Savior for the cleansing of their sins are the children of God, whether white, black, Greek, Jew or Gentile. All will inherit the Kingdom of God!
That’s not true
You must be born again of The masculine Spirit of Truth in John 16:13-15. Respect of Persons and Favoritism is a sin!
Where does it say that in the Tanakh or new testament ?
Agree 100%
You forget the books of ezra, nehemiah which states the jews went back to their homeland and rebuilt not only the walls but the temple. The books of Habakkuk and othe minor prphetsuch as Amos talk about the post-exillic jews, all in their original homeland of Canaan
Amen! God bless! We all will rejoice and even more once Jesus Christ our Lord King of all Kings returns on The day!
Some of the Jews moved back to Jerusalem when Cyrus sent them back.
The northern kingdo of Israel ( lost 10 tribes) did not return but traveled to Caucases and on to western Europe. Most of western European nations except Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany Austria are Israelite nations also United states and Britain are sons of Joseph. The Germanic people are descendants of Assyrians and play a major role in end time events
British Israelism is PARTLY correct. But the Germans are related to the British and both are the descendants of the Scythians whom Paul acknowledged were fellow Israelites. Israel was to migrate north and west of old Palestine to their NEW prophesied land(Europe) and then they would spread out all over the earth conquering and colonizing heathen lands where the natives would diminish before them. 90% of the Native americans and upward of 75% of Australian and South African natives died before the white Israelites came. God told Israel that when they would go to a new land to live in that He would cause the natives to diminish before them. Sickness was the main way He did this. But yeah, half of white Americans have German ancestors and they are NOT Assyrians or Edomites. The Edomites are the fakes who would rebuild the old Holy land in the last days and gain economic and political control over white Christian Israel’s nations(and the rest of the world) and they with their New World Order of Global red communism(Edomites means “The Reds”) and their world banking system and their taking over most of our “Judeo-Christian” churches and the Catholic Church (as harlots) and with their UN are altogether Mystery Babylon which has already killed over 100 million Christians in Europe, Russia, Asia and they even killed off the only African tribe whose main official religion was Christianity! I believe they were the Ibow(sounds like)? Tribe. I came here from a Google search for Herod’s descendants in Europe(supposedly) I wanted to see if there was any credence to his son Alexander marrying into European royalty(or his descendants anyway) because I found Alexander and Herod in my ancestry(again supposedly).
British were Druids. British-Israelism was concocted after The German House of Windsor deceived U.S. into fighting WW1 and WW2. Sounds like few have never heard of Japheth father of Europeans.
LOL BRILLIANT
Germans and Britons are not Scythians. Consult the table of nations.
Total BS. The Germanic nations were already populated before the Esau strife. Edom is the area around Israel. You know, the people who have been at odds with Jews forever.
Isaiah 43:3, Isaiah 44:21, Isaiah 45:17, Romans 11:26, Numbers 15:15, 16
Amen! The Word, our Lord Jesus Christ, our Creator, Redeemer, Savior, our Blessed Hope.
I really have a question, “Aren’t Europian People of today, The Edomites”?
Yes
Yea it’s important cause you have lied about,it hid it, and used scripture to justify your evil. Lied then to. Now You continue to want to lie. He’ll awaits you
Check the location of Esau, that’s right in the middle of Arabian peninsula, pointing Esau to be modern day Arabs.
Esau mixed with the Ishmaelites, and also with the descendants of Keturah, Abraham’s second wife.
They later mixed with the Greeks and Romans that produced the current race we call Saudi Arabians, the wealthiest nation.
No. They are the Israelites. Edom is small in numbers. Insignificant as a pebble. However in the last days he will break the yoke of Jacob and inherit the fatness of the earth. The international bankers are the Edomites, who profit off wars that Europeans die in. Anyone trying to destroy western civilization is a Edomite.
Yes! Jesus said all that come to Him he will in no wise cast out!
(heavy sigh)…I cant even believe what I’m seeing here. I decided to take a break from reading The Book Of Isaiah. That was a mistake. I’m shaking my head at the blatant stupidity(yes, STUPIDITY) at the arguments over Jesus’…SKIN color?? And the hopefulness some people are verbalizing for the Caucasian race to be punished? Can you not see what you are doing? Get thee behind me, Satan. You will not undermine my faith. We ALL deserve to be punished for how we have broken God’s heart repeatedly throughout the age of the Earth. Wake up. The time for love & forgiveness is now. I for one, have no desire to see ANY of my human brothers & sisters endure God’s wrath. It would be unbearable to witness. I would rather take the punishment than see another suffer. Love one another as He commanded. Forgive, lest ye not receive forgiveness. God forgive us all. Peace…
I understand your hope and desire for peace. But you are wrong. This time we are lining in is not a time for peace, unfortunately. We are in time where God is separating the sheep from the goat, the tare from the seed, and the wine press is being squeezed tightly. Remember he did not come bring peace to this world but instead a fiery sword. A sword that cuts deeply going in and coming out. Do not put you desire above Gods, I beg you. Prophecy cannot be changed no matter what we do. Your best hope is to figure out what Revelation 14:12 means and follow that. May you come into the truth and may by this you are save from the wraith to come. Rev. 14:12, READ IT!!! PLEASE!!!
AMEN! Thank you for speaking this everlasting truth. Love your neighbor as yourself! Jesus died too save all the world, not a race or nation. Love ppl!
Amen Brother. Repent, know the Gospel and that Jesus is God, be baptised in deep water for all the sins you don’t remember, and confess all the sins you do remember, come up a new man, sinless and ever repentant in Jesus, and receive the supernatural indwelling of the amazing Gift of God at his discretion (mine was 4 days after I was Baptised in water), of His Holy Spirit, where you are sealed that no man can take you out of God’s hands. Then your ‘works’ are driven by Him, until we meet in the air. The 3 parts to the 1 Baptism are Acts 2:38. People are not taking this Salvation issue seriously and are walking around thinking they have the Holy Ghost. They don’t unless they have a testimony. A supernatural one like at Pentecost.
Yes, and YES Again!!!
Thank you. This whole thing about Jesus’skin color is NOT of God. I totally understand that he was NOT white. He was probably brown….maybe even dark brown. His hair was probably black. But none of that matters. What matters is he lived AND died for our sins.
Amen God bless you and yours with peace.. 🙂
Jews is not from Judah but from jewelry, that was their specialty. Jews control all forms of the media and can make the world believe anything. They say Semitic a made up word because they know they descended from the line of Japheth. It’s right there in the Bible for both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. Go to Genesis and follow Japheth line. Semitic and Shemetic are not the same but jews put in the dictionary that they mean the same. Who can stop them from printing what they want. The same jews who owned the banks and funded both sides of wars. They most of the slave ships in the Atlantic slave trade. The ships are gone but there manufest are still here. The word israelis not Israelites, simular but not the same. Too many changes.
For a group of people who don’t mix, they mixed a lot with Europeans
Did they not get attacked Rome . If so then it would be stupid to run to Europe but instead deeper into Africa were they could blend in. Remember Bible said most could not tell the difference between an Egyptian and a hebrew Israelite.
Too many holes in jews story.
Why would we run deeper in to Africa when we just escaped from Africa where we were slaves in Egypt?
Hi,
The Israelites ran into Africa all the time. Jesus was taken into Africa to be hidden because He, Mary, and Joseph looked like Egyptians because they’re were all dark skinned brown people. Egypt had been a refuge for Israel since Abraham left Ur. The Israelites ran into Africa (middle and west). Africa is more than Egypt.
Actually, the 12 tribes did go and came out of Egypt. I just preached on that subject about a month and preached of who the are today. Please bear in mind that the Word of God states “There are those whom calls themselves my people,who are not my people” Also, bear in the mind of those has made Jesus their Lord and Savoir. They shall be Saved!
Where can I find this sermon?
You are the very reason denial shows in religion just how much you know..Christ was hebrea..
What people today is a descendant of the Edomites
Esau the father
Many people believe that the Arabs are the Edomites, but the Arabs are Ishmaelites. The Edomites are descendants of the Europeans. They have lived off the “Fat of the land” all over the earth, and they continue to hold the Israelites in captivity. The true Israelites are black and brown and red.
If so, then how do you explain this verse in Bible when we know every word proves true (Proverbs 30:5):
“For the chastisement of the daughter of my people has been greater than the punishment of Sodom, which was overthrown in a moment, and no hands were wrung for her. Her princes were purer than snow, WHITER than milk; their bodies were more ruddy than coral, the beauty of their form was like sapphire.”
Lamentations 4:6-7 ESV
Lamentations is where the prophet Jeremiah’s prophecies about Jerusalem come true. That is a verse from one of the 5 poems of sorrow of the fallen city of Jerusalem. It’s not referring to the Israelites at all.
The reference to the princes being white is likely metaphorical. If we want to take the colors referenced in this passage literally we must also account for people with red and blue skin colors. Ruddy usually refers to a tanned shade of red (I believe this color should be taken literally here) and sapphires are generally a blue color.
WHITER mens clear. No one called themselves ‘white’, in Bible times, without explanation, because white also means ‘LEPER”. Miriam, Moses sister, was turned into a ‘LEPER’, whiter than snow.
No one on earth is as white as milk farless WHITER than milk!!!! So it is clear that it was only defining the purity of the people and not thier race color!!! compare this to songs of solomon 1:5
“I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother’s children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept…..here he is clearly defining the color of his skin!!!!!!!
No it’s not. Thats funny. But I’m glad you said that. I do agree it’s a description of how pure. This mistake is made with alot of scriptures. Just like the hair on his head was white, like wool. That doesn’t say his hair was like wool. Wool is just a description of the color of his hair. And that’s it. It doesn’t say his hair looked like wool or had a wool texture. Its nothing more than a description. And that’s it. Just like and the first came out ADMONI (ruddy) all over, LIKE a hairy garment. It doesn’t say he is hairy what so ever. Nor does it imply it. A hairy garment is just a description of the color ruddy (admoni). And that’s it. You (not you literally, but who ever thinks differently) can’t say WHITER is a description of how pure people are but than say other descriptions of other verses mean more. So many people want it to say WHAT THEY WANT IT TO SAY. When IN FACT it doesn’t. And he is not DEFINING the color of his skin. See this is what I mean. He is SAYING WHAT THE SUN HAS DONE to his skin. Because he was made KEEPER OF THE VINEYARD. Again another DESCRIPTION. and that’s it. Feom being outside ALL DAY the SUN HAS DARKENED HIS SKIN. Wow. And this is EXACTLY what God says. People will make scriptures mean what THEY WANT IT TO MEAN.
Abby that not what Proverbs 30:5 says. It say EVERY WORD OF GOD is pure or proves true (whatever corrupt English version you like to read). That doesn’t mean every word in the bible. God says the will be false PROPHETS. Then you just said Lamentations 4:6-7 ESV. Why did you put the word WHITER in all caps? First of all it says the princes were PURER than SNOW, whiter than milk. Whiter is a description of how pure. And that’s it. The next line describes their bodies. It says MORE ruddy than coral. You are completely misunderstanding the use of the word WHITER. And I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with any of it. I’m just telling you what YOUR bible says. WHITER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SKIN COLOR. Again it’s just a description of HOW PURE they are. AND THATS IT.
Why did Esau’s mother put goat hair on his neck , and arms?
God brings the destruction of the Fallen creation to a climatic event in 70 AD. Harold wasn’t even like a descendant of Esau and they make their last stand in herod’s Temple. They had just killed Christ and they thought it was business as usual in that they could go on killing the prophets.
But the glory of God departs God takes his Spirit Away from the following creation and his former Temple and rest on his new creation those who receive him beginning at Pentecost after his resurrection, they are God’s New Creation. It is God’s New Creation who bring the destruction on the Fallen creation which ultimately looks like the destruction of the temple 70 AD
You left out something….vs 8
Their VISAGE i.e. appearance , countenance IS BLACKER than coal.
Correction the Israelites are the Blacks , Latinos of Hispanic descent & Native American Indians. For they fullfil the prophesies of the Bible.
Blacks ▪Deuteronomy 28:15-68
Latinos & Native American Indians
2Esdras 13:40-46
This is the King James Bible 1611 with Apocrypha.
Wrong. Native Americans came from India and China, not Israel. Israelites are not black, Hispanic or Native. Native Mexicans are the equivalent to Native Americans. You should learn to discern the bible, which does not mention anything you mentioned.
I think you need to do “The History” right, black Americans are descendants of Judah who is the progenitor of the real Hebrew Jews. Prophecy will be fulfilled rather ‘you’ like it or not.
The Indian are not native to this place call AMERICA.
Watch what you say… because you are falling into a trap. The Native Americans, the Indians, the Chinese, etc… all started with origins from the Ark and the Ark had settled on Mt Ararat where Turkey, Iran, and Armenia converge. Today’s people all come from this one location and then scattered in all 4 directions. But everyone comes from Noah and his 3 sons with the 4 wives. In those days, there were no Chinese, no Native Americans, etc. Those names came long after the Ark. .
Native Americans descend from Eastern Asia bruh
That is a deception taught by black hebrew israelites just as they teach King James was black. While alive he approved of paintings of himself and he was very much a white british man. BHI also teaches all white people are edomite descendants which is false. The bible states that the edomites were enemies of the jewish people. Today the enemies of the jewish people are mostly muslims and anti semantics in the Catholic church
Are you sure the photos were authorized..and not another sad attempt at iconoclasm…
The true evil of japheth…..the European white man…or gog and magog….saudi arabia….edom …..mystery Babylon is the axis of evil…US Europe Russia and saudi Arabia
….they will be punished for it is written
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If this were true Gods word (Obadiah 1:10-18) is false.
Does God lie?
Don’t forget about certain tribes in west, south, east and central Africa.
You can’t separate the the Edomites from the Ishmaelites. Read your Bible. Esau took to wife the daughters of Ishmael!!!
Genesis36:1-9 says he took wives of the sons of King Seir who lived in Edomite. How does that make them Ismaelites? If you have this info please share
Wrong
You just said and they continue to hold the Israelites in captivity. Ok so who is still holding them in captivity?
Read Psalm 83 and Obidiah. TMH has enemies and intends to judge their actions as well as Israel. True Israel will return to their land and live in peace. Peace be to all who love and fear TMH
America, north and south. Read Deuteronomy 28 and you will see that part of Israel went into captivity during the transatlantic and Arab slave trades.
The World Goverments there is Slavery all over this world 2020..United Nation is a sham and all the rest:John8:44/1Tim4:1/Matt7:13-14/1cor2:14/Matt23:27.
There’s one discription, in the first chapter of revelations. Try reading it.
Nope, the Edomites today are the Caucasians. Genesis 25 describes a couple of their traits. Cunning hunter, and men of the field. The book of Obediah. Also ARABS are descended from the lineage of Ishmael(and his 12 sons) , Issac’ s brother.
Edomites mean red all over.. The edmoites are white people who are descendents on easu… The Israelites are black ” brown look into the 12 tribes of Israel
That is false.
Movers and shakers, loan to kings and kingdoms, controlling food production from fields to meals., tell nations when and where to go to war, and much more.
So ypu mean todays “Jews” correct?
They have funded both sides of every war and economic depression since the french revolution, and they run your countries today through the IMF…
Edom is in modern Jewry. Judah is made up of NON Israel, non Judah
pagans of every sort who REpopulated Samaria after being captured by
Assyrian King Shalmanezer, then later being filled with more millions of
Khazars. These are descended from NON-Semite Ashkenaz. (Gen.10:1-3.
Jasper 90:8
I know that the land of Edom was destroyed or basically barren now, but are there any Edomites people or descendants still alive today?
Yes the so called white race they are He Edomites according to the bible we have biblical nationalities and we all decend from one of them
Obadiah 1:17-21 edom was exterminated .they don’t exist anymore
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They haven’t been destroys yet according to Obadiah 1 17-21 but it is to come.
That haven’t came to pass yet. Israel hasn’t been put back in their land yet.
Esau’s sons are teman/ Ottoman Turks, Eliphaz/ the Fez, a hat worn by moors by way of their Turkish masters, and Omar/ America. Esau’s bloodline has become Muslims along with moab, and ismael, they are the mixed people of Arabia. From there they swept across Africa spreading Islam throughout North and West Africa. Enslaving the moors by conversion. Together conquered the Iberian Peninsula, ( Spain ). Esau’s bloodline always had a thing for Turks/ Hittites.
Obadiah’s short message centers on the “approaching” day of the Lord and the promise that True Israel will possess the land of Edom. So no, they have most certainly NOT been exterminated, but most assuredly will be! Reread Obadiah and add, nor take from the Word.
It IS YOU who are taking from the word. ANYONE who is not reborn through accepting Jesus Christ as their Salvation will perish. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD. ALL. There is absolutely NOTHING in the Holy Word that states or IMPLIES that those of a certain skin color will be destroyed. Stop listening to those who call themselves the Hebrew Israelites and teach that mess. Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. ANYONE who has not repented and accepted HIM as their Savior will perish. Salvation is for ALL who accept him. NOT just a skin color…
Jasper 90: 8 They became one kingdom with Chittim (romans).
Jasper 90: 8 Edom and Chittim (Romans) became one kingdom. They judgement has not taken place, yet. Read Obidiah and Psalm 83
Africans-Ham. Europeans -Japheth. Middleastern/Asian-Shem. Esau’s lineage was from Shem, NOT Japheth. So I guess since he was “Ruddy”, people think he was white. By that standard he was probably a hairy native american. You people try so hard to change history and the word of God to support your hatred for the White man. So sad.
They appear to be desperate for the truth. just slow down and let the Bible inform you.
Esau is now white, black, and brown.
And green
I would suggest that you, and everyone else question everything you have learned and everything you read. That’s when you discover the truth and find true freedom from being conditioned to think, believe, and behave like programmed robot.
Why does color matter? Isn’t GOD about love? Who is the divider of Nations? Not you, Whites,Blacks, Hispanic,…. The Divider been doing this from the beginning, his name is Satan. Did you read GOD is no respecter of persons? We are all his children
How can a white man come from a red hairy person?
First of all We Native Americans have little body hair and are not red in color. God knows what is in each of our hearts when we read the word of God and We ask God to help us understand his word not with hate but with Love and wisdom. Love thy brothers and sisters. God created us all with Love and free will. The truth is that Some have used Gods word to oppress others throughout history. They (not all whites) but people in power are and have always been the enslavers sending the children of Judah to the 4 corners of the earth. God Loves ALL (no matter color) who seek and live by his truth which we receive through his word but through prayer as well. Our salvation is not based on color. Perhaps our Lords message has nothing to do with color. He is the most Glorious and Wise isnt he?
Well said
Esau/Edom/Edomites/Amalek/Amalekites/Idumea/Idumeans/Nabateans, through bloodlines – Remember Genesis 36:1:43, and don’t forget/The Khazar Empire – that just happened to get Powerful [ “what history says”? ] about c.618-10th Century [“what history says? ] – How many times has E’sau changed his/her Names throughout history – Now he calls himself [Genesis 10:3, – Ash’ke-naz ] – Revelation 2:9,
They are mixed in with a lot of people’s according to scripture. I personally believe that Edom became the Khazarian nation and blended themselves in with the nations of Japheth (Noah’s son). There is no definitive answer.
Article says. They fought with the Jews many times
As I understand matters the term Jew never appeared in original Bibles and came into use sometime in the late 18th century.
Meaning there were no Jews in the original Old Testament
Meaning the Israelis are not Israelites
I think it is important to get things right
Some say the modern day Jews, the Israelis are descended from the Edomites
It would be interesting to know
They are. Esau became the Kasers/Ceasars. Who overthrew the Soviet Union, then Germany, next…America.the name Kaser means ” The hairy one “. It also means Emperor/ King in German. Plainly said Esua has absorbed and been re-branded as the Turks, Russians, Germans,and Jewish.
Does this make one race greater than another? Read Romans 2:11 in any version of your Bible and you will see.
No. We’re all in need of saving. Israelites do hold a special place in God’s heart. He calls us the bride of Christ and the apple of His eye. He also allowed us to be taken captive to punish us for serving idols. He loves all of His children. Israel is set apart for a particular purpose, to teach the world how to worship God in spirit and in truth.
Wonderful answer!!
It’s true.
The Old Testament does speak of Israel. Just after the wrestling with the Angel Jacob’s name was change to Israel. From there on god refers to the nation as either Jacob or mostly Israel. Gen 32:28
“GOD”
Well you didn’t quite get this one right. No, it does not mean there were no ISRAELITES…You need to study!!! Esau and Jacob were twins.. Jacobs name was changed to Israrl.. Israel THEN had 12 sons that make up All ISRAEL and all there descendents. (12 tribes of Israel). Juda was one of the sons and the children of Juda are all Jews.. Therefore actually being blacks Hispanics and native Americans sccording to migrations of those tribes scripture wise. Christ is from that lineage of Juda. Thus referred to as King of the Jews.. Find yourself a king james 1611 bible. It will have the Apocryphal in it ( ALL THE BOOKS THEY TOOK OUT OF THE ORIGINAL BIBLE CONVENIENTLY) and a Progenitor tree. You can trace all people and lineages there
That’s absolutely correct. The so called African American is the so called true Jew or have the true lineage to the tribe of Judah. People think Africans and Afro Americans are the same. Not at all. The Africans are from Ham. The black afro Americans are were Gods chosen ppl but they were punished for not keeping his commandments. Also known as the curse of Deuteronomy 28.
This is the truth…Amen
Your 100% right. The book of Revelation states who they really are.
Revelation Chap3 verse 9: Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not.
technically the “jews” are from the southern kingdom comprised of 2 tribes . The other 10 tribes were dispersed by God into the world
Judah- Southern Kingdom Israel- Northern Kingdom.
Jews are short for Judah. To say their are no more Israelite, your talking to one. This is were some of them are at. Deuteronomy 28:68.
The English term Jew originates in the Biblical Hebrew word Yehudi, meaning “from the Kingdom of Judah,” or “Jew.”
YOU ARE RIGHT THERE WERE NO JEWS IN THE OT. ABRAHAM, ISSAC AND JACOB WERE HEBREWS AND BLACK. THEY WERE CALLED HEBREWS UNTIL GOD CHANGED JACOB’S NAME TO ISRAEL. JACOB HAD 12 SONS AND THEIRS DESCENDANTS BECAME THE 12 ISRAELITE TRIBES, GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE. WHEN GOD SPEAKS OF ISRAEL IN THE BIBLE, HE’S NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LAND OF ISRAEL THAT’S TRODDEN DOWN WITH GENTILES TODAY, HE’S TALKING ABOUT ISRAEL HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE WHO ARE SCATTER TO ALL NATIONS DURING THE TRANS ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE. BUT GOD HAS PROMISED THAT HE WILL GATHER HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE FROM THOSE NATIONS AND RETURN THEM TO THEIR HOME LAND ISRAEL IN THE END TIME. ESAU WAS THE BROTHER OF JACOB AND THE FATHER OF THE EDOMITE PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO BE CAUCASIANS. THEY ARE CALLED CAUCASIANS BECAUSE THE EDOMITES LIVED IN THE CAVES OF THE CAUCASUS MOUNTAINS IN THE OT. IF YOU ARE NOT FROM THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL YOU ARE A GENTILE. The bible describes Esau as a hustler, an exploiter of others and what others had, he had no interest in his spiritual inheritance that’s why he gave it to Jacob for a bowl of red soup. He was motivated to go out and get things rather than establish things and he preferred to take down what he wanted. He sneered at other cultures and being a hustler and wild at heart was a badge of honor to him. We can certainly see this same rebellious and bullying spirit in the Edomite culture today. IT’S NOT HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE EDOMITES ARE BECAUSE THEIR BEHAVIOR POINTS WHO THEY ARE. THE WAR BETWEEN JACOB AND ESAU BEGIN IN THE OT, ESAU SOLD HIS BIRTHRIGHT TO JACOB FOR A BOWL OF RED SOUP, ESAU WANTED IT RIGHT BACK AND HATED JACOB FOR IT. THE FUED BETWEEN JACOB AND ESAU WAS PASSED ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION UNTIL TODAY AND THAT’S WHY BLACKS WHO ARE THE TRUE ISRAELITES ARE HATED BY THE THE EDOMITES TODAY. IT’S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO WE ARE BECAUSE THE END TIME PROPHECY REVOLVES AROUND THE ISRAELITES AND THE EDOMITES. OBADIAH CHP. 1 SAY THE THE EDOMITE WILL BE DESTROYED FOREVER. (THOSE WHO DON’T REPENT) AND IT SAYS THERE WILL BE ONLY A REMNANT OF ISRAELITES WHO RETURN TO THEIR HOME LAND (BECAUSE SOME WILL NOT RETURN TO GOD) THERE YOU HAVE IT, THE HISTORY OF JACOB AND ESAU TWIN BROTHERS WHO WENT IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS WHEN IT CAME TO WHAT GOD THEY CHOSE TO SERVE. YOU DON’T HAVE TO BELIEVE MY POST RESEARCH IT TO FIND OUT IF IT’S TRUE OR NOT. IT’S ALL IN THE BIBLE OF THE OT.
LOL You know what then happened? Sex. Lots and lots and lots of sex. People are horn dogs and procreating is fun and important. It also causes intermingling of cultures. For heaven’s sake, Jacob had children from TWO handmaidens (guess what nationality they were?). Thats why I find this line of conversation POINTLESS because I guarantee near everyone of us is Hamitic and Semitic to some extent. I also find it interesting, because how do brown, black, white, red, and orange people come from not only Adam and Eve, but Noah and his sons? Technically….we all related.
I’ll pull from Titus 3:9 on that one
(foolish lineages or genealogies)
(yes that is what it says)
Which is the whole reason JESUS came was to offer salvation to ALL PEOPLES who followed God’s Commandments and to graft the Gentiles (myself included) into the Tree of David (Romans 11)(Romans 15:12) (Again I don’t know why you guys want to relate to a group of people who are known for rejecting Jesus, instead you should FEAR. For God did not spare the original branches nor will he spare you if you follow in their ways. I will not judge you for your decisions, leave that to the Master.)
So now i am confused: you are separating the Edomites from the rest as in two different things. How can they be different if Esau and Jacob were twins that came from the same father?? Doesn’t that mean that we can call all Isrealites the Edomites and the other way around.
As I understand Esau means ‘the bear” means red and has become the nation of Russia. America is now the home of the real Israelites of the Bible and we will always have the hand of God upon us. The geographical location of Jerusalem is God’s most favorite city but has been occupied by mixed groups of people since returning from captivity. The 12 tribes did not return to Israel instead they went over the caucus mountains and settled western Europe british isles and eventually North America. Esau was hated and Jacob was loved by God, from the womb! Why would God hate an innocent baby because of what he did in the first earth age. He was one the fallen angels that denies Hod and followed Satan. God knew his heart, he gave up his birthright for a bowl of porridge (grain). The older Esau (Russia$ would aways serve the younger, Jacob (America). Jacob was a planner and stored up food and always prospered. Esau was a hunter of game and obtained food by chance. He would struggle to sustain himself and would have to depend on Jacob to supply him with sustenance. Genesis 27:28 & 27:38- one’s a blessing and one’s a curse. Anyone interested in learning more about the truth do an internet search for YouTube Shepherds Chapel “Esau and Jacob an in depth bible study”. One of the videos is from the 80’s but there are others done with more recent dates.
Edomites are descendant of essau/edom-twin brother of Jacob/israel-the founding father of the israelites.
I guess the modern day edomites are the Palestinians & the arabs.
The modern day Edomite blended with the sons of Japheth and established Chittlon, or Rome.
NO THEY ARE NOT!!
To trace Edom’s lineage you need to check with whom Esau married into, he married into Cananites, Hittites and Ismael: Ham (Africa) Japheth and Arabia.
The middle eastern races other than the jews are from Ishmael . not Esau who fathered the edomites
No, Europeans are the Edomites.
The prophet Obadiah delivers God’s judgment to Edom. One judgment is that “There will be no survivors from the house of Esau.”
Obadiah 1:18 NIV
The end of the Edomites, were the tetrarch of King Herod, who sought to find and kill the baby, Jesus. Once the sons of Herod died, the Edomites were no more!
Edomites are still here a running things, you cant get them out of their judgment, “Thus saith the Lord God; Because that Edom hath dealt against the house of Judah by taking vengeance, and hath greatly offended, and revenged himself upon them. The white man has killed millions of God’s chosen and you think he just going to let that go?
If so, who runs it today?
Oh thats right, the “jews” own everything, and they still own you too.
Try not to pay taxes see what happens to you
No I don’t think he’s gonna let it go but doesn’t say in the Bible that sins from our ancestors are not our sins. Everyone has to pay for their own sin. Why should I have to pay for what my ancestors did?
False…
Yes, but that has not happened yet… Read the scripture carefully again.. These were Prophecies.
Stay away from that NIV.
Some body give this man a NIV Please…..lol
Oh absolutely stay away from the NIV, thousands of mistakes. Check the statistics on different versions of the Bible, or watch Dr. Chuck Missler, How We Got Our Bible on youtube. Of course there is always the possibility that you won’t believe him
The Edomites went in league with King Nebuchadnezzar and helped to sack Jerusalem in 597 BC. Therefore, they would be punished for going against God. Yes, Obadiah did say there would be no survivors, in 586 BC. About 26-48 years later we read where David and Joab killed every Male Edomite. 1 Kings 11: But Edomite-Hadad, escaped. But we see that 135-138 years later when 2 Chron 25:14 was written (between 425BC and 400BC) that there was a “slaughter of the Edomites”. Edomites are the descendants of SHEM. White-Europeans are the descendants of Japheth. They were living in Northern Europe while all this was happening in Jerusalem’s back yard. Because they were in league with Neb., they are more like the Muslims (which still live in that area, Jordon, today). Obadiah’s land of “Sepharad” being mentioned in Persian/Median text.
Edomite are indeed descendant of shem they are twin to Jacob who is Israel. Japheth IS NOT WHITE EUROPEAN.. Not one scripture will support that and not one prophecy fits that theory. Not one.. The migratory path of the people doesn’t even make since to support that.. Esaus children mixed with Japheth… But according to Scripture you are who your father is. So the off shoot of those people via countless wars between Edomites and ISRAEL and Edomites joining with other nations each time to defeat Israel formed greece, to Rome, an Spain.. Those three countries begin what you now call Europe. With expansion coming thru Alexander, and Roman Empire.
They are Esau!
Further more Northern Europe was not white at all during the time all this was happening. It in fact was all black. Thus the Moore empires. (Dark Ages). The King of Scotland was Black.. His name was KING JAMES he ordered the King James written and also became King of England for a short time. Information is hard to get, however not impossible.. Might I suggest putting history books down and researching actual records and journals of the people you are attempting to gather info about. History books are always written by and from the convenient perspective of the victor and or oppressor.
I agree wholeheartedly about history books but I’m not sure how to find the actual records and journals to research for myself. Where do I begin?
The King of Scotland may have had black hair, I think you’ll find his name was Kenneth Dubh not James. The word dubh does not mean African ‘black’ but refers to a darkness as in ‘dark’ purposes. Or again, it may refer to hair colour as in ‘black Irish’: those people with jet black hair, blue eyes and porcelain skin. To assume that the Scottish king was African is a bit of a stretch but who really knows.
The so called Dark Ages you mention again have nothing to do with medieval Europeans being black Africans. History boks tell us that these times were, ‘in the words of Voltaire, a time when ‘Barbarism, superstition and ignorance covered the face of the world’ hence ‘dark’ ages. These views have been repeated in every history book for so long that it has become a historical ‘fact’. Even Gibbon refers to the period after the fall of Rome as an age of barbarism. This is totally wrong. During the ‘dark ages’ Europeans developed science, technology, medicine that far surpassed the rest of the world. You only have to look at those cathedrals they built, the books they wrote by Chaucer and Dante, Education, Monastic discoveries like agriculture, a primitive anesthetic, pipe organs, painting, musical notation just to mention a few. Tempting as it is if one to see every use of the word ‘dark’ as a reference to ones favoured group, it’s highly unlikely to be factual esp. when you see that sub-Saharan Africans had developed virtually nothing comparable even in the 19thC.
Re the Edomites, I always thought they were the people who invaded Judea and were then defeated by John Hyrcanus and forced to adopt Judaism. But I haven’t studied it that much, so….I can’t say with any certitude.
The Jews referred to in the NT, I think were the Essenes as they are the only group who get no mention; Pharisees, Herodians, Zealots, Saduccees are all there, but not the Essene who were a major group according to historian Josephus. So they probably wrote the Gospels referring to themselves as Jews bc they believed they alone were following the true path.
Its all very interesting, nice to see that people are so interested in history.
Yes! Sephardic Jews are quite possibly the Herodian edomites.They were exiled out of Spain/ Portugal along with The Moors/ Pheonicians in 1492. Back then they were called Murranos by the Spanish. I heard Murrano means swine in Spanish. And I know turk means swine in Hebrew. Can any Spanish speakers confirm?
You are correct.
Jordan’s capital is Amman which derives or variant of Ammon children of Lot, nephew of Abraham…
So what’s the modern name for the Edomites
Israeli
As a starting place, you might try reading: KJV Genesis 49. Also, knowing that Abraham didn’t have sons by Sarah only. Ishmael was his first son, but not the the child to father the Israelites. Genesis 25 tells us that after Sarah died Jacob married again and fathered 6 more sons. We don’t really hear of them. But in Genesis 21 we read that God visits Sarah and does to her what He had promised. Just as an afterthought…Denmark knows that they are descendents of the tribe of Dan. “Dan’s mark”. Try very hard to stick to the Bible history and know that the Bible is a “bibliography”. There’s a lot of history that should be taken into account before jumping to conclusions.
Tuatha de Dannon/ tribe of Diana. Real simular but not israel’s son Dan.
If your referring to Kethura your right! Her children were the people who named the land of Quatar and Medea just to name a two of them.
who are the original edomites today
I think on a spiritual level the Edomites would be all those opposed to Gods first born son Israel! but the God himself used their firstborn sons and first born animals as a sacrifice unto His first born son Jesus! from Exodus 13:15. It says, for everyone born of His first born are redeemed. This was a prophecy of Jesus who would come in time to redeem all mankind! Therefore, the spirit of Esau is in the hearts of all who oppose His son. So you could say the Edomite spirit is from their Father the Devil.
This is babel.
Edomites like the Israelites are all over the world, like other races. But notice the Israelites will always have strong influence wherever they are, e.g. USA is basically controlled by Jews. The Edomites wherever they are will always be against the Jews or Israelites. Some of them are “christians” like Hitler and gang while some are Arabs and muslims. On their current location or homebase, my best bet is Palestine and/or Iran. No one hates Israel more than these 2. That my helicopter view of all that’s happened and happening now.
That if your assuming the current Aske-nazi Jews are the biblical Judaen people. Iran is Persia or biblical Elam. This is why they call their god el-oh-hiem/ elohiem. Take out the vowels you get E-l-h-m. Palestine/ Philistines are exactly who they’re name implies. Esua’s current location is New York, Germany, Italy, Egypt, Turkey, Russia, and Morocco. Those are the ones i know.
Hitler was NOT Christian. He murdered Catholics, Christians, & Jews. He wanted to make Christians his salves. Hitler was raised by his mother was herself was Catholic, but rejected everything when he became a teen and his father hated Jews. So, he grew hatred towards the Jews. He was a atheist who hated all those groups mentioned above, & wanted power. He was searching for advance technology.
Mohammed also wrote that he hated Edom! As well as vehemently insulted them by making fun of their ” Smashed in faces”.
Oh, another thing the king of Masor/Egypt/Gysies, Kemet, etc, is actually a Turk/Hittite.
Deuteronomy 28:68 New King James Version (NKJV)
68 “And the Lord will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.’ And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”
NO ONE WILL BUY YOU. NO ONE WILL BUY YOU. NO ONE WILL BUY YOU. NO ONE WILL BUY YOU. NO ONE WILL BUY YOU. what part of this do you not understand?
Leviticus 25:44-46 New King James Version (NKJV)
44 And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have—from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. 45 Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property. 46 And you may take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them as a possession; they shall be your permanent slaves. But regarding your brethren, the children of Israel, you shall not rule over one another with rigor.
case closed
I personally believe the Edomites where just another group of brown people just like absolutely everyone else in the bible, such as the tribe of Judea and other people in the surrounding areas. 🙂 But thats just me…
They are hun. Bible is the only source of authority, the located for Edom’s destruction is written in the books.
I’ve come to the same conclusion. They became the Huns. The Huns are rumored to come from Khazakstan. Khazaria is basically the same territory. We know the Khazars converted to Judaism. The fact that the Ashkenazis are trying so hard to say it’s a lie gives it so much more credibility. I’ll continue to pray and do research.
Regardless all your efforts and knowledge on this matter, the below statement needs much more clarification:
Afro Americans were first Africans -now African descendants “…YOU ARE WHAT YOUR FATHER IS”
That’s absolutely correct. The so called African American is the so called true Jew or have the true lineage to the tribe of Judah. People think Africans and Afro Americans are the same. Not at all. The Africans are from Ham. The black afro Americans are were Gods chosen ppl but they were punished for not keeping his commandments. Also known as the curse of Deuteronomy 28.s
First of all thank you so much for the wonderfull work servant of the lord ! Be blessed !
And the second is this i see my sisters and brothers fighting over black and white jesus please let them know that the enemy uses skin colour to create war one of the six {seven} abomination that our LORD hates {discord among brethren} Am the chosen one descendant from abraham and i can tell you these let jesus go we only have one LORD, he is the one creating all these problems
BE BLESED MY PEOPLE ! WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT ! TRY TO READ YOUR BIBLE WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SO IT IS MIXED WITH SOME LIES !
The original religion of the African people, however, was animism (the worship of spirits), and there is no doubt that most of the slaves were animists.
Matthew Chapter 2
14. When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
15. And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
So Jesus was in Africa way before his ministry.
Acts 8:27 – And he (Phillip) arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
The only known record of Christianity being shared to Africans.
Ezekiel 30:9
In that day shall messengers go forth from me in ships to make the careless Ethiopians afraid, and great pain shall come upon them, as in the day of Egypt: for, lo, it cometh.
Jeremiah 13:23
Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
Afro Americans are clearly not chosen people. They were clearly different.
But please end this senseless debate. (Titus 3:9)
Christ was not an Idumean. I believe that Duet.28 to 68 is very clear who the Israelites are. Many deny they are talking about the folks who came through the slave trade. If you look at slave records you will see that they all had Yah in their names. They are Gods people. ” 2 Chronicles, 7.14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear.” Judah is black . Just watch the awakening of the dry bones Ezequiel is speaking of wake up and challenge the Christian doctrine. Out of the 12 tribes, Judah is the Kingly Tribe, its natural they will take the lead in waking the people.The early church were the first Christians, but now its has been mixed with Roman pagan customs like Christmas. If we will follow a Holiday, lets follow what Christ celebrated, not what the Romans who killed him brought.
OP:
Isaiah 42:11
Do you know Where did Kedar live, the Muslim’s claim that’s in Medina in SA?
It seems to be commonly accepted that it was what is now modern day Arabia, but more specifically haven’t been able to nail down. This site https://biblehub.com/topical/k/kedar.htm claims Northwest of Arabia, not far from the borders of Palestine.
Wow! Race has divided the people, just like the enemy wants. Divide and conquer is the same old tactic he uses through out the history of the fallen world. Jesus loves us and if you are in Him you are a brother and a sister to each other. This is His commandment the we love one another. He is coming soon as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah! Amen. Come Lord Jesus.
This is the most ignorant conversation ive ever commented on but some of you have lost your mind with matters of race & thinking God is racist like man or has some preferences over jew to gentiles 1 verse says it all Galations 3:28 there is no longer jew or gentiles slave or free male or female for you are all 1 in Christ Jesus. STOP BEING RACIST God does not care about you skin color or freaking tribe his salvation is not based on ethnicity END OF STORY
I think we all need to reflect on the commentary here. Think about how this made you feel when you read the responses and imagine what it must be like right now as Jesus considers your heart, thoughts and actions.
Did he really make us righteous to behave in a manner that is better left to those who do not have the Spirit of God living within us?
As Christians, we should never allow race to divide us. Knowing who we are in Christ should make the experience of understanding our history that more interesting. It allows us to consider our journey and to glorify the Father for the grace we have been give to be called the Children of God.
Diverted right away from rev 1:14 figures
Hebrews 7:14 don’t ever disrespect the tribes Christ came from Judah I’m SURE he cared about HIS tribe so Stop all that feelings and drop a scripture lol….he don’t care about tribes lol if you don’t knock it off
The bible is a spiritual book for a spiritual people. I see people here who could, but do not have any knowledge of God arguing about race, color, class and religion. Satan does an amazing job of distracting people so that will never see the truth until it is too late.
Hell is not the place to find out that you need Jesus. In hell it will be too late.
For all of you who are caught up in foolish debates about race, the scriptures – the Authorized King James 1611 and nothing else, sets the matter straight:
Romans 2:28-29
“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”
If you are not saved it does not matter if you are African American, Jewish, European, tall, short, beautiful, smart, etc. Without faith in the shed blood of the Son of God to wash away your sin, you are LOST. And if you die in your sins, you will be FOREVER LOST.
You are right that Christ’s skin color not mattering, yet here is the problem ! The people who created and imposed the idea of Jesus being white through their art work needs to repent because it has been a forced idea for generations, and even though most people know better because of the scriptures, we continue to make and post art work of Christ being white. To me, it’s an act of deception, and most likely give people a superiority complex.
1.) Hebrewism = Torah (Jesus was Hebrew)
2.) Judaism =babylonian talmud = tradition of the elders Matt 15, Mark 7 (Jesus rebuked it)
Not many people know Jews are the Ioudameans (Iou of old = Jew today) from Esau who moved into Judea during Babylonian Captivity and began calling themselves Judeans. Read Ezekiel about Edom. Jews are Edom and they say so in their own literature: “Esau-Edom is modern Jewry.” 1925 Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 5 page 41. NOT of Israel or Judah. “Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a “Jew”or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or Hebrew.” Jewish Almanac 1980, p. 3. “Edomite Jews began to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860.” Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol. 10:23 Remember according to Jews today Jesus is the greatest antiSemitic of all people – which makes no sense because he is 100% Hebrew. He called out the Jewish hypocrites and liars 2000 years ago. The multicultural tribe of Edom today is still trying to usurp the Christian tribe of Jacob, which has carried the flag of Christianity for 2000 years because the Israelites never rejected Christ (Acts Chapter 5.14) just the Ioudamean Pharisees did. But then Jews like to Judaise everything in the west to suit themselves. The fact is Jesus was not a Jew by race or religion and he opposed the Jewish teachings written in the Babylonian Talmud today which was written in Aramaic and is the mainstay of the words in Yiddish today. Aramaic is 78% root towards Yiddish which has only 18% Hebrew originating words. Remember the Babylonian talmud was written in Aramaic. The Jews look like white men but are the Sephardics from Edom to the south of Israel and Khazarian when from Babylon (part white part Turkish) Nebuchadnessar was a Kazzite (part white part Turkish) and in Genesis 36:2 & 3 Esau went out and married two Turkish women and 1 Arab (part white part Egyptian) woman so Esau or Edom created the part white part Turkish and part Arab race of the Sephardic Jews. The are called Jews from the word Judea but they are actually the Edomite Judeans who are Idumeans today. Another group who became famous in the times of Alexander the Great who liked to call themselves Judeans/Jews but who are not Judeans/Jews (Rev 2:9 & 3:9) and are from groups like the Edomite Ioudameans and apostate Jews that Ezra cast out of Judea. Read 2 kings 16:6, 2 kings 17:23-25, Ezekiel 25:12 -14.